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[神秘博士] Time Lord的一些特点 (The Doctor's Daughter相关)

本主题由 粉蒸肉 于 2008-5-6 09:20 设置高亮

Time Lord的一些特点 (The Doctor's Daughter相关)

Time Lord的一些特点 (The Doctor's Daughter相关)

大家在热烈讨论Doctor's Daughter到底是什么人等等
这些从维基上看到的资料可能和大家的猜测有关 () 内是补充
当然资料大多是基于旧系列
新系列没怎样提过/强调过, 谁知道编剧会怎样改, 或许会明确地指出含糊地方


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1) Gallifreyan != Time Lord?

Time Lord被称为Time Lord是因为他们能够在时空穿梭, 拥有比其他种族更强大的能力去操纵时间
这暗示有来自Gallifrey但不属于Time Lord类别的Gallifreyan
也暗示Time Lord应该需要在Gallifrey教育制度下取到一定程度才可被称为Time Lord
(有说Gallifreyan从Academy毕业后才成为Time Lord)
所以Time Lord是Gallifreyan的子集 (Gallifreyan不一定是Time Lord, 但Time Lord一定是Gallifreyan)
3x12 The Sound of Drums, Doctor用 "Children of Gallifrey" 可能是暗示小孩在成为Time Lord前都是Gallifreyan
(譬如说, Doctor的孙女到底是不是Time Lord是备受争议的)
引用:
Time Lords are so called because they are able to travel in and manipulate time through technology to a far greater degree than any other civilisation. It is also implied heavily in the series that there are those from Gallifrey who are not Time Lords, though it is not stated categorically either way (see Trial of a Time Lord, among others).
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It is implied (in The Invasion of Time and The Deadly Assassin) that the terms "Gallifreyan" and "Time Lord" may not be synonymous, and that Time Lords are simply that subset of Gallifreyans who have achieved the status of Time Lord via achievement in the Gallifreyan collegiate system; in the episode "The Sound of Drums" The Doctor talks of 'children of Gallifrey' which implies that children are Gallifreyan before they are Time Lords.
2) Time Lord 能互相认出对方?

剧中没有明确指出到底Time Lord能否认出其他Time Lord

旧系列的例子: (包括曾出现的情况令他们认不出对方)
The Deadly Assassin: 4th Doctor改变了外貌, 但他的旧同学还是能认得出他
The Armageddon Factor: Doctor另一个旧同学立刻认得出他, 但Doctor却不认得他
Planet of the Spiders: 3rd Doctor不认得他以前的老师
The Five Doctor: 3rd Doctor看到Master在非Gallifreyan身体里的时候不能立刻认得他
1996 TV movie: 8th Doctor不能认出拥有人类身体的Master
Survivial: Master看到7th Doctor立刻就认得他, 但他们可能之前曾见过面
(没有看过旧系列, 译得不好, 不好意思)

新系列的例子: (包括曾出现的情况令他们认不出对方)
3x11 Utopia: Doctor不能认得转变为人类的Master, 但当Master回复Time Lord身份, Doctor立刻认得他并可叫出Master的名字
3x12 The Sound of Drum: Doctor说Time Lord可以互相认出对方. Master利用一个衞星和感应网络隐藏自己, 令Doctor无法得知他的存在
Time Crash: 当5th Doctor和10th Doctor见面, 5th Doctor不能立刻认出对方是10th Doctor/Time Lord, 也没有猜到他们是同一个Time Lord的不同重生
引用:
Whether or not Time Lords can recognise each other across regenerations is not made entirely clear in the original television series. In The Deadly Assassin an old classmate recognizes the 4th Doctor despite his changes in appearance. And in a later serial, The Armageddon Factor, another alumnus immediately recognises the Doctor, though the Doctor does not recognise him. In Planet of the Spiders, the Third Doctor has trouble recognising his former mentor. In The Five Doctors, the Third Doctor is also unable to initially recognise the Master in his non-Gallifreyan body. Similarly, the Eighth Doctor is unable to recognise the Master while he possesses a human body in the 1996 television movie. The Master recognises the Seventh Doctor on sight in Survival, although this may simply point to an earlier, unseen encounter.

The Tenth Doctor does not recognise the human form of the Master in "Utopia", although the Doctor did recognise him, and name him "Master", as soon as he recovered his Time Lord physiology and mind. In "The Sound of Drums" the Doctor states that Time Lords can "always" recognise each other, although, while on Earth, the Master used satellites with a telepathic network to mask his presence from the Doctor. However, in "Time Crash," the Fifth Doctor could not instinctively recognise that the Tenth Doctor was a Time Lord, nor did he guess that they were different incarnations of the same Time Lord.
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看了这些之后有好多疑问
Jenny是否Time Lord
(至少现在所知的剧透没有提过, 或许真的只是养女 - but "come from me"?)
她怎样从Time War存活下来
Doctor为什么不知道她的存在
(或者他知道, 但没有去找她 - 小朋友看到Doctor遗弃自己女儿还会做Doctor Who fan吗?)
如果是和Timeline交错有关, Tardis是被强行"扯"去了吧, 那只手(Hand in a jar)也在发光, 为什么是这个时间的Tardis被扯去
Jenny怎样认得出重生后旳10th Doctor ("Hello Dad" - 这句应该是对Doctor说的吧)
要猜测的话, 可能性太多了吧, 毕竟Doctor Who的编剧们想像力很丰富, 太天马行空了
很期待编剧给我们一个怎样的解释, 不要让我们失望才好

[ 本帖最后由 meselfworld 于 2008-5-6 05:37 编辑 ]
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  • 粉蒸肉 金币 +12 精品文章 2008-5-6 09:19
我鉴定此帖为考证学。
Time Lord 是Gallifreyan 的子集,哈哈,很有意思。

如果湘粤一带深目削颊的美人是糖醋排骨,上海女人就是粉蒸肉
补充: 维基上有关Doctor家族的资料

剧集很少提及Doctor的家族.
旧系列的首两季Doctor和他的孙女Susan Foreman同行
The Tomb of the Cybermen, 2nd Doctor被问及他的家人, Doctor回答说他对他们的记忆犹在, 但不知这是否代表他们已故世.
The Curse of Fenric, 7th Doctor被问及他有没有家人, 他说他不知道, 间接地暗示他的家人可能遭遇不明确的命运.

1996 TV Movie, Doctor提及他的父亲, 并表示他的母亲是人类 (备受争议)

2x11 Fear Her, 10th Doctor向Rose表示他曾经是一个父亲, 但很快便转换话题
3x01 Smith and Jones, 10th Doctor被问及有没有兄弟, 他回答"不再有", 因而推断他应该曾经有一个兄弟
4x06 The Doctor's Daughter, Doctor至少有一个女儿名为Jenny
引用:
when asked if he has a brother in "Smith and Jones", the Doctor simply replied "not any more".
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References to the Doctor's family are rare in the series. During the first two seasons he travelled with his granddaughter, Susan Foreman, and as noted above he apparently once had a brother. During his second incarnation when asked about his family, the Doctor says his memories of them are still alive (The Tomb of the Cybermen) but whether that means they are deceased is unknown. In The Curse of Fenric, when asked if he has any family, the Seventh Doctor replies that he doesn't know, indirectly hinting that an unspecified fate may have befallen them. In "Fear Her" the Tenth Doctor mentions to Rose that he was once a father, but then quickly changes the subject. He mentions his father in the 1996 Doctor Who telefilm, where he also indicates his mother was human. The Doctor also has at least one other child, a daughter named Jenny (played by Georgia Moffett, real world daughter of Peter Davison).
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原帖由 meselfworld 于 2008-5-6 05:30 发表
Time Lord的一些特点 (The Doctor's Daughter相关)

大家在热烈讨论Doctor's Daughter到底是什么人等等
这些从维基上看到的资料可能和大家的猜测有关 () 内是补充
当然资料大多是基于旧系列
新系列没怎样提过/强 ...
预告中还出现了另一个男人,估计Jenny是对他说的,Jenny可能认不出DT
你说的是这个男人?



我也有想过会不会Jenny其实不是叫Doctor "Dad", 但故意把预告剪接成那樣
可是Jenny是Doctor的女儿, 怎么喊第二个男人"Dad"...
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如果 剧集说出有关doctor的家族 那就没啥可看性啦  编剧还是留些让人讨论的话题 这样才有收视率呀
然而有些矛盾的是,剧中timelord的用法很多时候更像一个物种,而并非是某种知识阶层或职业,比方说time lords有两颗心脏,而不是说Gallifreyan有两颗心脏

某Doctor Who wiki里,对是否所有Gallifreyan都是Time Lords持不确定态度
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Lord
though it is not certain if all Gallifreyans were Time Lords, or the Time Lords were only an elite echelon of Gallifreyan society.
对, Time Lord应该是一个种族
如3x01 Smith and Jones,
Martha: What species are you?
The Doctor: I'm a Time Lord.

到底Gallifreyan和Time Lord的关系是怎样很难说 (不懂外星生物/社会学 >_<)

有一说Time Lord的第二个心脏是在第一次重生才长出来的

毕竟Doctor Who年代久远啊, 好多都难以考究,
甚至因为不同编剧而前后矛盾也不出奇
time Crash?? 这个是什么? 时间崩塌 ??
这是那一集 那个 5th 的doctor 和10th 的doctor见面?

有说Gallifreyan从Academy毕业后才成为Time Lord

我觉得应该是 这个就像大学生一样
那个是需要认证的
而认证方式
就是当年 master 如果逃离Gallifreyan 逃离时间大战的原因

那就是看时间的漩涡

只有看到时间漩涡 并且不死的人 才能真正的成为 time lord
我估计 这个就是决定Gallifreyan 人 变成timelord的关键
而且 可以成为timelord的人 一定不多
不然 一个doctor就可以灭了 daleks
那么 如果真的有一个种族 daleks 早就被玩死了!
所以 我估计 doctor 这个时间领主 一定是有唯一性的
就像他和master的名字一样
他们一定被赋予了一个人生的职责 才成为了时间领主
doctor的妈是人类?
这就可以解释为什么doctor对地球特别有感情了啊
不管这个女儿怎么样
长得很漂亮是可以肯定的
Time Crash是2007年Children In Need的特别短篇, 可以看下载贴...

看时间的漩涡据Doctor说应该是Gallifrey的小孩8岁进入Academy会做的事, 应该不是Master逃离Time War的原因吧... (都相隔多少年了!)

Doctor好像是曾被Time Lords派去改变Dalek的时间线...
不过这是旧系列的事, 详情希望有看过的人可以解答吧 =]

Doctor的母亲是不是人类这个很受争议呢
不少fans都认为这样的设定不太好...
(不会变成pure blood的争论吧...)
哇,难道TL一族可以和人类通婚啊
春天我种下珊瑚,秋天就收获了Tardis
引用:
原帖由 meselfworld 于 2008-5-7 15:48 发表
Time Crash是2007年Children In Need的特别短篇, 可以看下载贴...

看时间的漩涡据Doctor说应该是Gallifrey的小孩8岁进入Academy会做的事, 应该不是Master逃离Time War的原因吧... (都相隔多少年了!)

Doctor好像 ...
看来这位对Doctor很有研究啊
另外岁知道在那里可以下到Doctor的旧系列的片子
引用:
原帖由 qazwsxedcrfv 于 2008-5-7 17:06 发表

看来这位对Doctor很有研究啊
另外岁知道在那里可以下到Doctor的旧系列的片子
研究绝对不敢当... 大家分享一下而已...
迠里有torrent档可下载
http://bbs.flyine.net/viewthread.php?tid=70511&page=1#pid1118988
大家知道的真多 我都没发言权了
想看,想看,谢谢LZ
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