能不能有个简单、明了的目录呢？ [quote]原帖由 [i]neozjx[/i] 于 2007-2-15 22:59 发表
对于偶们新手来说，东东实在太多了，看起来就害怕:L
能不能有个简单、明了的目录呢？ [/quote]
这个己然是简单的目录了,如果只想一步到位的看完全部,那是不太可能的,看ST的过程,本身就是一个探索的过程... 介绍得非常详实，对于不了解的同志一看就会明白了。 感谢!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Its ongoing mission"是Kirk在电影版里的台词，Picard说的是"Its continuing mission"另外，为什么说1701A是Yorktown改装的呀？在系列里提过，还是其他资料里的？好像没印象呀
印象里，Yorktown NCC-1717在TOS2 某集里出现过，应该是类似1701的老舰
Yorktown确实在电影版里被提过一句，好像只是说她在哪个星区出现过，甚至连面都没露
而且，在电影VI The Voyage Home结尾，Kirk他们乘shuttle被分配新舰，所有人都满肚子不高兴，
当时Sulu说，说不定会把Excelsior（在电影III里出现过，在当时装备应该是很不错的）给他们，Scott都极不满意
直到他们看到1701A，然后全吃惊的说不出话来，感觉应该不是看到其他舰改名字这么简单
虽然电影里没直接说，1701A应该是专门新造的吧？ 想知道FTP怎么下载啊，在哪里啊？ [quote]原帖由 [i]starbird[/i] 于 2007-2-21 12:33 发表
"Its ongoing mission"是Kirk在电影版里的台词，Picard说的是"Its continuing mission"
另外，为什么说1701A是Yorktown改装的呀？在系列里提过，还是其他资料里的？好像没印象呀
印象里 ... [/quote]
首先来段这个:
After its historic five year mission, The U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC 1701) enter the shipyard for refit but the refit became virtually a complete rebuild. The Enterprise operated quite successfully and most of the other older Constitution class were also rebuild. The Enterprise herself was assigned to training and while the external hull, weapons, shields, and other systems were less than ten years old, the structures of the ships were much older and did not support the external additions as well as the parts that were inside of the old structural framework of the vessel. The class was no longer up to performing their specified roles and many of the refitted constitution class were planned to be decommissioned. Much of the heavy combat roles that were performed had been taken up by the Belknap class Strike Cruiser and the Avenger class Frigates. The much larger Excelsior class was also under construction. Star Fleet still saw the need for a heavily armed starship that could perform th exploration mission. Various designs were submitted but none passes all the design specification. Finally, a design was worked up from the ship that the specifications were derived from. A modern version of the rebuilt Constitution class was developed. Newly developed systems were incorporated including better sensors and improved warp drive systems. In most ways, the enterprise is identical to previous class and is armed with two forward firing photon torpedo launchers and carries 18 powerful Phaser mounts. The ship design is also set up to carry a reasonable number of both shuttles and fighters. In addition, the ships has full facilities to act as a flagship. Because thses ships are assumed to operate independently for long periods of time, the Enterprise class has excellent entertainment and exercise facilities including a swimming pool for the crew. [color=red]After the original Enterprise was damaged, Starfleet BuShips decided that the ship was not rebuilding and was to be scrapped but was stolen by the Captain James T. Kirk and was destroyed. After the loss of the original Enterprise, it was decided to rename the first ship of the the class "U.S.S. Enterprise" with the hull number of NCC 1701A. [/color]During the shakedown cruise, the Enterprise performed quite well but many bugs needed to be worked out. The engineers worked hard and all the system bugs were quickly worked out and the Enterprise quickly passed her acceptance trials. She went on one five year mission and was then involved in saving the peace mission at Khitomer. The Enterprise was badly damaged and was retired soon after. By this time, many of the roles for the Enterprise class were being taken up by the Excelsior class and the next Enterprise was of that class.
这里的红字部分说明,NCC1701-A来自于一艘重命名的星舰,而不是新建的星舰.但是ST的官方文档中并未对是否由约克城号改装而来,而在Memorey alpha上,可以找到这么一段文字:
Disputes over Enterprise-A/Yorktown(进取A号/约克城号之争) Somehow, people still dispute wether the [i]Enterprise-A[/i] was a recommissionned [i]Yorktown[/i]. However, it strikes me that, how can it not be?!
现在,人们仍在为进取A号是否由约克城号改编而来争论不休,然而,以我的观点,它必定是改编而来.
First off, it was launched [i]immediately after[/i] the destruction of the first Enterprise. I know that this is not impossible, just improbable.
首先一点,进取A号在第一艘进取号被毁后立即起航,我知道这不是不可能,但这点很重要.
Secondly, the Yorktown was seen in the movie preceeding the one where E-A debuted. It was also seen getting heavily damaged, and it's crew most likely killed. This would result in a refit (normally a reconstruction, but [i]Constitution's[/i] were being overhauled during this time) and a reenlistment of crew.
其次,约克城号曾在进取A号初次亮相的前一部电影中出现过,它看上去也是受到了严重的伤害,而它的船员很可能大部分阵亡.这样通常会进行一次休整并将延长船员服役期(通常情况是整编,但此时宪法级正在进行大修).
Thirdly, the E-A was decommissioned after seven years. Seven years! A ship being decommissioned after only seven years of service (and not taking irreperable damage) is extremely unlikely. If it were true, it would be--[i]by far[/i]--the shortest lived Starfleet ship that wasn't destroyed at the end of its career.
第三,进取A号七年后就退役了,七年!一艘星舰仅服役七年(而且未受到大的损伤)便退役是极不正常的,所以可能的解释是,应该是-至今为止-正常退役的服役期最短的星际舰队的舰船.
Finally, and most importantly, Gene Roddenberry said it was a recommissioned [i]Yorktown[/i].Think about that for a second. Gene Roddenberry said it.
最后,也是最重要的一点,基恩.罗丹贝利说过它由约克城号改名而来.想想吧,基恩.罗丹贝利说的.
If you were a devout Christian, would you say "Hmm... You know, I don't agree with the Third Commandment. I'm just going to ignore it and pretend it was never wrote. God is wrong when it comes to the Third Commandment" (Note: I have no idea what the Third Commandment says). No, you wouldn't. When it comes to Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry is God. His word is infallable. Proving him wrong would unmake Star Trek. If he says that the Klingons evolved from living cuddly pink teddy bears biologically engineered on a planet called Tatooine a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, travelled back in time and through space to Qo'noS where they evolved into the warrior race we all know and love, then... I don't think I need to repeat myself. It's unfortunate that he passed, so now what Rick Berman and Brannon Braga goes. But go ahead and argue with them, though personally, I like what they've done.
[b][size=2]所以,对是否改名这点大家基本认同,但是对是否由约克城号改名而来则不尽赞同.个人意见是:这本来是没有任何的官方说法,争论无益,因而采用改名自约克城号一说.[/size][/b]
[[i] 本帖最后由 xiaozengxiao 于 2007-2-22 10:41 编辑 [/i]] After the loss of the original Enterprise, it was decided to rename the first ship of the the class "U.S.S. Enterprise" with the hull number of NCC 1701A.
在我看来，这段话里rename 应该这么理解
rename 的宾语是“the first ship” 也就是“the the class "U.S.S. Enterprise"”
换而言之，rename 的是Enterprise，而不是说，rename some other ship with the name of Enterprise
不得不说，原文说的很别拗，特别是“first” 很含混，无论按哪种理解，都说不太通，可能是笔误，应该是 next
按语法结构，应该翻译成
“原版进取号失事之后，进取号系列中的新一代编号为1701A”
至于“首先一点,进取A号在第一艘进取号被毁后立即起航”
1701A没有立即起航，电影IV结尾只是出舱遛了一圈，而电影V开头才是“During the shakedown cruise” Scott 忙得焦头烂额，一直在调试，Enterprise更是问题频频。如果只是改名，应该不需要这么复杂的。至于新船建造速度，大概是因为在决定废弃老船的时候，新船已经开始建造了，只是没告诉Kirk他们 - -||
后面几条，我觉得关联不大，是吧？
不过，我们可以做个假设，如果1701A是新造的，多半不会专门去强调，事实上，Enterprise 在系列里多数都没有太多介绍过建造过程
而如果是其他舰改编的，总会强调或者说明一下，是吧？
更何况，Yorktown的船长船员也没办法安置，，，这个有点扯远了 - -||
我觉得，既然在系列和官方资料里都没有明确指出，还是按新造算好一点，至少说，像其他船一样，我们也不要去过多讨论这样的细节了 航海家号居然有7季！真是个好消息！:(: 好贴!好贴!
学习了!楼主及有关资料提供者辛苦!!!! 不错，了解得很透彻 感谢。看了要顶。嘿嘿。。。
学习
我很喜欢这部片子。现在看了帖子才完全明白怎么回事啊！:lol: 万分感谢！我对除了TOS和TNG之外的其他都了解甚少，学习中~ 真的是很不错哟 不错不错不错 看来又看.:loveliness: 顶一个先!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 好东西啊...真是大开眼界!!!不错！辛苦！
不错！辛苦！初步扫盲！
一直想看星际旅行，最近才发现原来有这么好一个网站！ 50年了.我们还在银河系里探索啊.:LL 看了以后基本不敢再发小白帖。。。:) :) 感谢扫盲班，不然有些时候真的看不懂ST 这个真是大部头。。。不知道何时能下载完啊。 楼主辛苦了 真的好复杂:z: 真要好好学习一下！！
谢谢分享。。。
重温
三个月来过，现在重温一下，受教了，多谢！！我已经看了三个系列了！ 帖
好帖
真好帖
确实好帖
少见的好帖
难得一见的帖
是人就想看的帖
千年等一回的好帖
好得不能再好的好帖
惊天地且泣鬼神的好帖 星域图比较直观,好,顶 谢谢楼主，辛苦了 一直想看星际系列 就是体系太庞大了无从下手
看了这个终于有个头绪了 多谢LZ:loveliness: 帮助极大,楼主辛苦了！慢慢看完他.:) 好帖啊，认真地学习中...... :sad2: 看来需要学习的东西还很多 哪年才能看完？:zzz: :zzz: 太谢谢了，太空堡垒快看完了。听说星际旅行相当好看，我也开始看了。感谢楼主的介绍！ 大体看了一下，知道该从哪开始看了。好兴奋啊！特别想看一下小时候看过的动画片。可以说，那部动画版的是我最喜欢的动画片。经常想起它。现在才知道原来《星际旅行》是一个超大的系列。看来我以后大部分看电视的时间都要花费在这上面了。太好了！！！ 电影
星际旅行电影版 Star Trek 1: The Motion Picture 1979
可汗之怒 Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan 1982
寻找史波克 Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock 1984
抢救未来 Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home 1986
终极先锋 Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier 1989
未知国度 Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country 1991
星际奇兵 Star Trek 7: Generations 1994
第一次接触 Star Trek 8: First Contact 1996
起义 Star Trek 9: Insurrection 1998
复仇女神 Star Trek10: Nemesis 2002
这个要看了先 娃哈哈 俺已经做好准备开始看这部伟大的电视剧了！ 我还是对所有剧集的故事线索 看得一头的雾水～～
不管了 慢慢下 慢慢看了
也许等看完大部分的所有剧集 相信 对星际旅行系列 会有比较清楚的思路
期待～～～～～